hey everyone welcome to another episode of five influencers today

we have a very special guest steve knowles who has a very fitting channel

steve knows how are you doing today uh i’m doing uh very well

always it’s kind of a it’s kind of a curse always feels so positive

oh yeah i’m doing absolutely brilliant no no i was actually very curious because your show

that your the energy you you emit is just always so positive so happy so

cheery and i was always wondering that oh is that your on show personality just

always happy or are you like this off the camera too and i guess you just describe it as a curse so i assumed that

that that isn’t something you could just turn off very easily that’s very nice of you to say actually um i yes i often get asked that but the

kind of the truth is um i am just as fidgety and excited in real life and

uh it took me a while to get comfortable in front of the camera if you see my earlier videos i’m not i’m not actually as natural

as i am now i’m very timid and kind of holding back but this is this is the natural

the natural steve i see so when you first we’ll get into some of those details but

since you brought it up when you first started you feel like maybe you had to be a bit more serious had to be almost like a

different camera personality and then you really eventually realize hey the natural you is the best you um no it

actually wasn’t like that i think it’s something that’s just kind of come with experience it was just when i first started i

was i was kind of fluctuated so initially i was very timid but it wasn’t because i was trying to be

i think it was just this natural response for me being in front of a camera for the first time i didn’t realize i was

actually so held back and reserved until you go back and look at the older videos and and then after that i think i got

too energetic i start getting some really strange questions online people asking if i’m on things whilst recording and i

wasn’t so i fly really had to be more reserved um but i’m glad to see that it’s still

coming across as passionate and enthusiastic about vr but this is uh the more reserved steve

that you see on the channel yeah well it sounds like you have this natural chemist called high in you so that’s that’s the best right

people people that’s the curse that’s what i say that’s the curse it’s it’s so positive you know like as

you’re describing the curse your smile is just uh bigger than ever

it’s a good curse to have uh so yeah so let’s take a step back uh tell me about yourself and your channel steve knows

oh well yeah myself uh someone i’ve always been passionate about gaming but i grew up with uh kind

of the retro flat screen games i used this sitting i had a cupboard that had a single shelf on it with the old

crt 15-inch tv with my sega and nes hooked up to it and i just spent all day

all day in that so i’ve always been always been into gaming but vr i think i have quite a common story for vr that many people

could probably relate to the way you kind of just dabbled in it then all of a sudden i just got incredibly invested so obviously started

off with the gear vr having a samsung phone and then they had this gear vr feature available

so sweet let’s let’s try that out and it was pretty impressive it was pretty amazing but there wasn’t really there wasn’t

that many applications for you to to use in real life like there wasn’t really in-depth games there wasn’t

really many productivity tools for it it was very there’s what people have been saying gimmicky and then

of course sony released the playstation vr in 2016. um i wasn’t a an og oculus

backer i hope people don’t get upset without the original oculus that was on kickstarter many many many many years ago we’re not

going to be upset just for the record i know there’s some vr veterans out

there that you know who i can’t damn you steve you weren’t there from the from the inception unfortunately yeah

they got the playstation vr and then resident evil that’s where i kind of i fed in love and it sparked my love

for vr massive fan of resident evil and resi7vr support just blew my mind and i

haven’t looked back since actually it’s been a brilliant brilliant one

great and how did that uh get you started on your channel oh well the channel the channel started

off as a games console channel i was actually covering the nintendo switch

uh because that’s that’s kind of what i always playing at the time in a hotel room on on work experience that’s when the

youtube channel started so if you see my first video i’m in a hotel room with a nintendo switch that’s where it

started but i wanted to do it because i had such a passion for gaming and there was nowhere to vent it

so i thought i would start a channel and just get involved with with the community i’d always been

someone that worked from like dust or dawn and ever since i left university i had this kind of evening space there was

this kind of this void i had this passionate event and now there was this void in my life this empty space that i needed to fill

so i decided to start making making youtube videos and now it’s kind of become a bit of an

addiction one of those things that when you’re not doing it it’s all you’re thinking about doing just uh time doesn’t always permit

unfortunately um but then i transitioned to vr once the

the standalone devices came back because i the playstation vr is not the best tech so started dying off my passion for

vr then and then the standalone came out and it kind of revitalized my love for vr and and i’ve i dove in

headfirst trying everything yeah when you first start your channel what

kind of ambitions did you have for it did you just think about it for fun or it’s like hey i want to make this this biggest thing ever

well i think there’s always something in you that wants to do that oh this would be great if it was the the best thing or the biggest

thing ever um but yeah that really wasn’t the end goal the end goal was just to vent and

find like-minded people to share a passion with and it’s kind of gone way beyond that

and i’m and pretty much incredibly grateful and amazed at the journey pretty much every

time i’m uploading a video or reading the comments or talking to the community having opportunities like this when you

guys reach out to me so it’s pretty it’s pretty mind-blowing i was just trying to do something just you know share a passion

and it’s become so much more than that so i’m incredibly grateful and yeah blown away every day what did

you want to do when you were growing up oh wow [Laughter]

okay what i wanted to do when i was growing up embarrassingly i was wanting to be in a to be an

accountant that was that was kind of the girl kind of the goal i was really into my maths

and and that was kind of what i was working on i i will tell you that’s a first for me for for growing up that’s why i laughed

because it’s like oh it’s like kind of a as yes right now you know that’s uh

that’s so far away like hey it’s like hey look at your face of course you’re you’re you’re doing accounting on a daily basis

steve the accountant your name goes to any industry you just know

yeah but it didn’t turn out like that i actually ended up studying music when i went to university and and

kind of fell out of love with a hobby doing that and fell into computer science actually

um and then it that’s that kind of just clicked with me i just me and computers just kind of clicked

and now i’ve got a software development role at a very very prestigious company

which helps fund the expensive vr habit that i’ve got so so yeah i’m into technology now it’s

still something stimulating i think i just wanted a job that was mentally stimulating even though accounting sounds boring you

know there’s lots of number crunching so lots of thinking involved yeah

do you play an instrument uh yes uh i play a bit of the drums and i’ve got well

they’re not in here and guitar as well but pretty much anything that has strings attached to it i can figure out

and play well so you want to be an accountant towards the end of high school you’re like actually i really love music like

you said there’s a hobby of it and uh so then you decided to go into your university

with music and then it’s like oh it’s fun when i do it for fun but now it’s my main thing it’s

kind of yeah you get it exactly yeah yeah yeah it’s very it was a very strange experience having a hobby and thinking that’s the

direction you want to go in and then kind of falling out in love with it when you have to you’re forced to enjoy um yeah it wasn’t

the same experience do you worry about that with your vr and your channel

uh no no no because this is the hobby the vr is like this isn’t my job right this is something i do when i come home

from work and you know from from my corporate job that something a bit more fun and virtual reality there’s just no

other form of escapism like it so yeah it’s it’s perfect actually it kind of uh yeah so going

from that really strict kind of day job that i have i get to come home and enjoy the best form of escapism

there is so you don’t have aspirations to one day making this your main thing

i’ve thought about it but i’ve but i have such a passion for my day job and it’s something i’ve worked so hard for

to get that i’m not sure that i would leave that job um to do youtube full time and it would

have youtube would have to be going like pretty incredible for me to step back and do

that because i’m not just giving up a job i’m giving up something that i i’m really enjoying actually quite attached to you

um but but i love them both i wouldn’t i wouldn’t give up my vr youtube i wouldn’t and i probably

wouldn’t give up my day job i love them both yeah based on yours what you told me about your

your music experience i think i recommend you keeping the status quo you know work on

a job that’s intellectually stimulating for you just like your accounting aspirations and then afterwards do create obviously

all creative but just expressive creative stuff like the vr escapism and you know run your channel um do you

have a regimen that you’re following for the channel do you feel stressed like you have to release this many videos a week or whatnot or it’s just kind of

free flow i think it used to be like that uh yeah yeah it used to it used to be like that when uh

when it started doing really well and started picking up i was in that’s like all i was thinking about all i was focused on let’s get okay

what else is there what else is exciting um but then it comes to a point where you you can’t really

you can’t really force out content it doesn’t work the audience in the community they see right through it so

uh no longer really doing that just more of when things come when something is exciting and

needs to be shared and then i’ll look at look at doing a video so i’m not strict on the regiment anymore

and you have to be really wary of burnout when i’m work because because i have a day job it’s not full time i’m working i’m

working like nine six sometimes even later in the day job and then to come home and then do all of the

youtube stuff and doing that every single day and then more youtube on the weekend you just

you’re just stretched so thin that it’s just not healthy to to constantly push up content like

that so as and when it’s needed and when the the inspiration is there

then the video will come well you just talked about early on that you know this is something where you think about even when you’re not doing

it and it’s like joyfully consuming your life but now you’re you’re also saying oh it’s so stressful

like i don’t want to be dealing with all these times how do you reconcile that so yeah that’s the thing because you’re

thinking about i’m you think about it all the time but you can’t

do it all the time so i’m always thinking about what’s next what’s next it’s always in the back of my mind i

should say and the reason that it’s stressful is because you end up working consistently

if i was doing youtube as well like 15 16 hours a day so even though it is something you enjoy it is it’s still taxing regardless if

you if you’re having fun or not those those long hours of focus and mental stimulation take a toll on you so you

just have you have to be careful um and the way i’ve i’ve been tackling that

is as i said not forcing out um and seeking uh actively like seeking videos

in depth more of just enjoying virtual reality and letting inspiration strike do you

ever have to force yourself to just rest and just and yes no no no that’s wrong yes definitely

definitely that i definitely have the falls already sometimes it’s like half eleven at night and i’m still editing and i’ll go like i should

probably go to bed i’ve got work in the morning but i want to sit here you have to pull yourself away but luckily

um i live with my my fiance and she keeps me uh keeps me under wraps so i’m otherwise

i’d spend no time with her either yeah it’s always a good thing when someone’s around you uh

taking care of you and also making sure you are taking care of yourself a little bit yeah it’s quite funny you’ve like kind of

like planned um the nights that she’ll cook dinner because then they like freeze up an extra hour and a half for me to

do video stuff so yeah the time management you have to be on it adult life it’s uh it is this way

unfortunately yeah growing up it’s a bummer it really is isn’t it i do miss those times but you you have

you have freedom but yeah you’ve got to be responsible yeah i mean you have a respectable job and you

have a passion you love and you know entertaining and educating a lot of people so

i think you’re in that sweet spot in life so you know you’re in that sweet spot of being a grown-up i’d say

okay there’s a downhill from here you’re saying i’m at the peak you can maintain this sweet spot but and

you know you can improve yourself in that spot but that all those components someone who cares about you

you know having a great job that’s intellectually stimulating that you don’t want to leave and you have a thriving youtube channel

and you’re making difference people’s lives yeah i i can’t think of lots of things to improve upon that

you know it’s just it sounds like everything’s lying that’s really kind of you it’s nice to get uh an outsider perspective on that that’s actually

quite nice it’s true because it is true from my cousin from my point of view it’s just focusing on the next thing that’s next but really

taking a step back you know i do lead a pretty special life but i have i’ve had to work for it but

i’m i’m definitely grateful as well because there’s definitely a sprinkle of luck for someone to get here not just hard work yeah a lot of people

do talk about especially in these interviews they’ll talk about how grateful they are how lucky they are but i think a lot of it comes out of

your attitude in general your positive attitude you’re just constantly staying upbeat the one

of the things we noticed actually you know we were doing the influencer uh algorithm right and we notice that your

engagement ratio is very very high compared to your let’s say your subscription account you know

there’s you probably know plenty of youtubers that have a massive amount of subscriber count but each new video isn’t the engagement

isn’t that high because the algorithm doesn’t favor that or they just people just forgot about them for you the comments that people come in

and just just engage in conversation is really really high and i think it’s because that

personality of yours just connects to people they see you they see you in the middle of a sense and you start laughing at what you’re

about to say what you just said you’re enjoying yourself and enjoying what you’re you’re enjoying your own content and i think people

really resonate with that and it’s like hey i want to i want to participate in the conversation i don’t just wanna watch and be passive i wanna jump in and

and interact with this person i think a lot of and that that ability to stay upbeat and so positive even though this

is a what people call moonlighting right night and weekends and whatnot i think i think that’s all something that you

work hard to to get because of who you are and what you’ve done

well that’s brilliant yeah the community is very very observational of you as well for some of the points you’ve just said that yeah the engagement of

of the community that watch my videos is actually um pretty pretty fantastic people are up for the discussion like to get involved

and i do try pretty um to respond to as many as i can in the first few days that the

video is up i’ll try to comment as many as many as i can to spark the discussion as well because i am interested in what people

think it’s just me in a room right so i want to hear what i want to have that discussion with people as well i can’t

have that chat with no one who’s next to me so it’s great to see and yeah the laughing in the middle of sentences i do that a lot

i’m just like oh god this okay oh we’re about to say this here we go and i’ll just start laughing to myself whilst in the middle of the video yeah

very observational it makes you uh very endearing authentic and genuine so people like that it’s gaming it’s not i

don’t want to be moping and angry this is about vr gaming it is exciting yeah well well

obviously a lot of people do gaming uh videos some of them are more you know their their personality is they’re kind

of trolling saying like mean things out to their streaming and you know some people really dig that

uh and some people are like hey i’m just friendly and sharing information but you’re like i’m so into what this

stuff you know i’m so in love with all of this i just want everyone to know about this it’s so amazing and you know i think it’s amazing too like i

you know it just hey i just i just feel like when i’m having a sad and depressing day

i just want someone like you around me and i think that just by default will cheer me up so okay how

nice are you yeah there’s been some lovely comments actually that i’ve seen that have i’ve kind of made my day and make this

journey worth it like this there was one gentleman who commented on the video that when he goes into work and he’s depressed

and sad um he’s trying to psych himself up to step into work that

he thinks of me starting a video saying enough chewing let’s get started and then he’ll walk to work just like that

to have to know the fact that that kind of impact is occurring to someone’s life for me just making videos and sharing a

passion is just mind-blowing and i think it’s brilliant i love it speaking of which how do you deal with

negative and true comments of course youtube some of the most unfiltered mean things are said there how do you

deal with that and how did maybe at the beginning it was harder and now you have a healthy way to deal with that

yeah but i think i think you’ve done at the beginning it’s like oh it’s very personal when you’re quite down um

and you just have to you learn to deal with that but i i do like the negative comments because something about youtube

that uh you don’t get too often is you get you get the nice comments and the discussion you get people’s

points of views but you also get like the trolls who are aggressive um but then

i still want to see the last some of the nasty comments that are really feedback that will allow me

to improve because sometimes someone’s just rinsing you or saying something and something and someone someone’s saying something

really nasty um and you can’t you can’t defend yourself because you you they’ve only

got the first take of what you say um in the video there’s no discussion so you have to so that side of youtube is

uh is tough and i think that’s what allows me kind of just to to brush it off because it’s

me talking you know and and then someone responding taking the first thing i’ve said is kind of the literal because

there is no it’s not a conversation is it’s a video it’s one-sided um and you don’t get that back and forth

so those kind of comments where people are kicking off and and screaming i take the feedback tries

to do better next time but i don’t take it personally no we don’t know each other so i shouldn’t be too sad uh has there been

times where you have taken personally just it just made you sad for a day or that

just i can’t remember some of the comments but yeah it has happened you know sometimes some say they can say something that

hits home perhaps an insecurity of yours you’re like oh man someone noticed

yeah but you know yeah just just have to get over it there’s not much you can do about it

there’s a tedx video about how to not take things personally and the speaker was saying that

if i said you were an orange you know you wouldn’t feel bad at all because it’s totally untrue it’s like random right but if but if he

says something that you feel like is is insecurity then that’s when you have the biggest reaction

uh oh yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly exactly what i was just saying yeah yeah yeah so that that kind of res and

but then it’s about oh it’s not it’s really not about me it’s not about you know taking if it’s people you know everyone has their

insecurities in life and they ten some people just go on and just yell at other people and make other people feel bad to

feel a little bit better about themselves and so you know the key like you said is just not take it personally you know and

usually for every one negative comment there’s a thousand positive ones and just not let that ruin your day yeah yeah

when you get these comments it’s good people are behind the screen door there’s an anonymity to it if you were in person and someone was

going to say this same sort of comment to you their approach would be completely different they wouldn’t speak to you

in the manner that they do in a comment so i just you gotta take it with a pinch of salt

uh were there days where you felt extremely discouraged and wondered if you should still do this continue to do this channel

and maybe maybe should do something else instead admittedly sadly of course it has it has

crossed my mind because of the the amount of hours that it’s caused me to work even though it’s something i i want to

do there’s other sacrifices in my life that kind of had to be made in order for me to pursue and keep on

top of top of the youtube so every you know sometimes when things aren’t going well you will think you know maybe

maybe it’s time um but that does normally doesn’t last long you know as soon as i pick up the headset and i’m back in vr as i i know

i’m this is it i’m i’m staying i’m sticking around you can’t it i think it happens to most

people at some point you’ve got to question it and you know what think about why you’re doing this again what are you getting out of it is

this something that you want to keep doing for the next you know two years five years

um yeah you’ve got i think i think interest being introspective is uh quite a good idea yeah i think uh for a lot of people it

happens when they feel like they’re it’s stagnant it’s the growth the numbers are stagnant you know and then what’s worse is if

they’re lower than what what it was three five months ago that’s when people feel like oh

like what am i doing with my life but it’s all yeah that’s true i’ve i’ve

had that myself i’ve had that myself um but it’s all relative isn’t it what you all think what you think is bad

over the past as you said three from three months ago might actually be pretty good still um so and

that’s what i was talking about you’ve got to be introspective again you’re thinking about why are you doing this are you doing this then for the growth are you doing this for

for for the money or are you doing this for a passion or something you enjoy because if it’s something you enjoy then

all the kind of sadness about your growth stopping um will be overcome because

it’s something you want to do not because you want to gain from it yeah i studied uh human motivation and

gamification and there’s a big difference between extrinsic motivation where you do things

for reward purpose or goal but you may or may not enjoy the active itself so once the

once the once you hit your goals or you get the reward the reward gets stale you stop doing activity

and there’s intrinsic motivation where you just enjoy doing it so much that you would even pay money to experience it

and if you lost all your progress the next day you would still want to do that activity today like play basketball with your

friends right or just hang out like there’s no points no badges achievements you just

evergreen just love doing it and so if you do it for extrinsic purposes again once you feel like you’re not

getting extrinsic results you get discouraged but if you’re intrinsically you just like doing it is winning

as opposed to going somewhere you know if you’re if you keep doing it you’re

you’re you’re your life is good you’re winning so you talked about nes in the old days right um

i you know a lot of people speak very fondly of the original super mario game

right um i don’t know about you but i i have seen very few people actually

beat that game did you beat that game i can’t remember i honestly can’t remember i’ve got it it’s

it’s right there you might see you see the gray box yeah i actually don’t remember the

original it was a long time ago iconic soundtrack for super mario started there yeah but the key point is that it’s not

about beating the game right it’s about playing no one’s going to be like oh i can’t be the game so i’m not even going to try or i’m just going

to give up right by playing the game you’re winning and i think that’s should be the case for things we’re passionate

i’ve got to agree and i i don’t think many people actually in the youtube game at least um end up being that successful if they

if they are intrinsically focused at least in the vr niche space you know a lot of i’ve seen a lot of

people um rise and fall trying to do vr and it’s all because

they weren’t getting what they what they wanted out of it so it wasn’t to do with sharing a passion they had

other motives um and yeah i just i just don’t think you can be successful in

in this area if that if if you have tainted um what’s the word motivations

yeah and as you probably know a lot of people want to be youtubers most of them don’t get a big

audience you know a few dozen a couple hundred um

what what was the moment where you suddenly felt hey this is really picking up this could actually be

pretty big as opposed to just like any other youtube channel that doesn’t really uh get a lot of steam um

i’m not entirely sure about that um because i’ve er i don’t think i haven’t really had

the moment where it’s just kind of gone boom i’ve had a very slow consistent

growth um doing these videos and that didn’t it didn’t even start growing consistently

for like seven months of me making videos um but i think it must have been probably

about a year and a half in i think i might have hit a thousand subscribers um and from that point i started getting

like 40 a day 50 a day 100 a day um and then i’ll just be waking up

absolutely ecstatic like is this happening i can’t believe this i’m getting more in a day than it took me you know two

months a couple of months ago this is brilliant um but yeah i don’t really think i thought

about that to be honest it’s just been uh caught up in the excitement and emotions of it all

haven’t reflected on that and it’s most likely because you do it for intrinsic purposes you do it because you enjoy it

you weren’t watching these things as adamantly and then over time you want you want

people over so that’s good yeah there we go it’s the evidence [Laughter]

yes that’s that’s good um what uh what are some let’s say this

what would you say is the most exciting highlight moment in your you know youtube channel career

like if there’s one moment where you’re just ecstatic yeah i remember this clearly the

the very first moment where i i kind of lost my mind and thought um uh wow i feel like it feels like i’ve

i’ve made it this is it i’ve made it mom that’s saying because i started it was um

you know if i ever get a free piece of of of hardware and tech early

um then i’m you know life is good i can’t like that’s the

audacity be your end-all of achievements and i actually got that from

you guys and when i got that email to try out the uh the cosmos elite

um i think i was just telling all my all my friends all of my family i was losing my mind and i think that

moment’s kind of good it’s going to stick with me for a long time this is the very first piece of hardware that i got um early to review and

it’s yeah i was not expecting like us to be the the reason of your

highlight moment but of course i was well it was that was the first time right yeah that was the you were my that was

my first and i think i only had like 5 000 subs at this point so i was i i lost it i

really really lost it and that was the first time i would have i actually tried a native pcv or headset as well and

again it allowed me to have one of those vr moments where i was just blown away once again like the first time you

tried vr was i played uh robo recoil robo recoil recall robo recall with

with the cosmos on and then just the clarity of the device i was uh

yeah i was in awe that was so it stuck with me that moment has great where do you think vr would be in

10 years tough tough i know there’s all of these

secret little devices that are going around like brain interfaces uh your face

trackers the full body tracking um soon to be

checking our emotions with biometrics coming from the hp omnisets i am uh

i don’t know i feel i feel like i’m kind of hmm i feel like i’m more scared of what vr

is to become than than excited if i if i’m honest

brutally honest i’m definitely really excited for uh vr to continue to grow and become

more mainstream uh meaning that we’ll be able to get you know better products hopefully a better price

and have things like the facial expressions the the full body

tracking the wide fov um wireless i feel i don’t know i feel like vr

in five to ten years but people can we can say that we’d like to have a brain device

you know it’s all occurring in here i’m not doing anything else i don’t see that realistically i see uh incremental improvements of

the headsets that that already exist so i’m hoping really for a wireless device that can do pcvr

um wide fov like 180 if possible 180 200 fov um

like uh 5k resolution displays per eye i think bear in mind this is

like 10 years time and facial expressions built in

not external devices full body tracking with out external devices optical

tracking if possible as well so so you have like an all-in-one sort of package for vr

that’s portable and i expect and really want the device to be smaller that’s kind of what i want

i want the the headset to be like a pair of a pair of goggles that’s what i would like in five to ten

years it’s hard to have a very small goggles and still have that 180 fov

yeah it would be like a cyclops from um from x-men wouldn’t it yeah maybe or

star trek if you’re into that that guy who had the i’m not like i’m not gonna name names

but uh there is a headset that have pretty wide fov but it’s like covering the entire your

entire head i know yeah yeah i know i know the device you’re talking about yeah it’s easy it’s easy to have big

fov if your whole head is covered in a helmet yeah yeah yeah there’ll have to be some special sort of uh the way some like

lenses are created i think to solve that problem as opposed to having wider uh panels in the headset

but yeah i know the device you’re on about and um i don’t know the device doesn’t seem although it’s got great fov uh

it’s just it not doesn’t seem practical for the masses yeah i’ve heard it’s uh it’s better on paper and when you put it

on it’s not as good but i’m not gonna i’m not here to trash talk any other yes yeah yeah yeah we don’t know who

that what that company is it’s completely a mystery so anyway um

what’s something you are proud of in your life that isn’t obvious to others i mean you talked you told me about something right but

this is people kind of know what’s what what do you think would surprise people that that you’re proud of oh

well i think i don’t know i don’t go like too deep really i’ve not really spoken about this ever but i’m

um i think just where i am in in life right now um is is all kind of derived from my

from my own hard work i had come from quite a rough um humble humble beginnings

just to you know cut a long story short um pretty much come from nothing so now living the life and having all of this

that you’ve described that i’m in that’s that sweet spot um i kind of wake up grateful every day

for that so that’s um i don’t know if that’s a story i would ever share

with the audience to be honest with you because uh it’s quite personal and they’re here for vr

and i want it to be exciting and happy and if i talk about you know i i mean the life story

it gets a bit this is a bit dreary no but this is the perfect uh perfect story about hey starting in a

humble way and then you know getting to a good spot i mean that’s that’s like literally

the this i don’t know the cliche yeah the storytelling story you know

it’s like if people were to make up a story they would tell your story

yeah that’s that’s that’s what i feel like yeah so yeah it’s not embarrassing my story is like perfect maybe i’ll save it for it i

think i’ll save it for an another day um but i i think it would be quite a good story to do at some point i think a

lot of people um can relate hopefully find some inspiration from it and know that you know good things can come

even if you’re in a bad situation yeah and we’ll see and i’ll reiterate i

think people are on your channel not just because they want vr knowledge it’s because they’re interested in you and your personality and how you’re so

vibrant you bring joy to the lives so i think you don’t have to be afraid to say yeah they just want to know vr so i

don’t want to maybe i should talk about myself i think i think your audience would more than welcome that and and

bond with you even more i believe so i i recommend it oh thank you i’m just uh nervous

definitely nervous about it yeah yeah i mean don’t don’t don’t tell anyone if you like murdered someone and where you

hit the body and don’t don’t oh yeah yeah i’ll leave those things out yeah leave that yeah kai’s associate and just swap those

things out that might affect your channel a little bit

yeah i’ll get that’s it the channel will be gone it’ll be taken down no more sorry steve yeah at least at least at

least still hide the place where you uh hit the body um another interesting fact i guess

people won’t know that’s not as sad and depressing is uh i whilst i was

pot i was i was working through university and during my part-time job worked in a coffee store

and then working in this coffee store i started studying coffee doing latte art and entered the a barista championship

and actually became second in my in my country representing the southeast of england so i am quite a coffee

connoisseur doing latte art and coffee knowledge but i don’t i’m not a coffee snob it’s just

something i studied and and ended competition and did quite well that’s a fun fact

that’s incredible i think it’s almost like whatever you get interested you you like kind of helps you you pour in

all your heart and energy and you try to get you try to master it and then you achieve results so

you know and i notice how varied your interests are from accounting to music to coffee

to you love your development job too so yeah you’re like becoming a

renaissance man but just with with more uh more happiness and more more laughter

yeah i think i think i’ve got um i’ve got a problem where i do you know i need stimulation so whenever i’m getting involved

something i kind of uh i go head first and give it my all yeah it’s a good quality half all right

we’re gonna wrap up soon uh so what are some top lessons you have acquired

in the past three years especially uh things that you didn’t expect to learn

oh do you mean like you in regards to youtube anything you want to share but youtube

or just personality dealing with people yeah anything anything that you did not expect that

you would learn you know what i have to say i i’ve definitely definitely learned after after working you know so hard and as

i’ve been saying sounds like i’m boasting i’m not but there’s a reason context that um after working so hard and

getting a good job and having a successful youtube that i’ve have

realized that um having you’re having an education um and

try and really pushing for that for that nine to five kind of job of his life

which isn’t isn’t for every everyone isn’t everything to life i’ve found that since

you know i’ve achieved what everyone said that i’m supposed to achieve that um i’ve still had to go and find my

happiness and my passion elsewhere so for people who are probably young and interested

um i would recommend pursuing things that you that you enjoy

and not focus on on money because you’ll achieve it you’ll get the money you’ll you’ll you’ll think that that’s

what you want and you still won’t be satisfied so pursue things you enjoy pursue things that you love and it’s more important for you to enjoy

enjoy your life than than working for a system that’s uh something i’ve been pondering on quite a

lot over the past couple years since i’ve since i’ve finished university and been working yeah it’s a that’s a great lesson

there’s a one book i really enjoy it’s called thinking fast and slow and it’s

i love that book yeah i know exactly i love that book all right so you know the author daniel kahneman he won a

nobel prize in economics right and fantastic yes and he and he did most of his work

with this guy amos turski which unfortunately passed away before they won the award and what’s interesting is if you read

the first couple chapters daniel kahneman will constantly talk about how funny amos was

he’s funny he’s a funny guy he tells joke he’s so funny and he just kept saying that and at one point he he finally well done

why he mentioned he says because we enjoy working with each other we had fun we we were more persevere and we could

endear more than everyone else in the in our in the academia industry so that’s how we got to our results

because we enjoyed working together it was fun because he was funny and you know the

the funny like fortune cookie kind of inside that that was derived and said hey

if you’re working with funny people maybe that can get you to win a nobel prize

that’s really quite uh quite a good way to put it isn’t it they were working with someone they enjoyed working with

because they enjoyed that it allowed them to persevere more so it means they could push harder take more take more work

and allow them to achieve achieve more that’s uh yeah what great take because i really do love that book as well it’s

such a great way if any of you haven’t read that it’s not a really big book as well and it’s a great insight

into how the human mind mind thinks pitfalls and flaws it’s really interesting yeah and

in case of research again a lot of people give up if they don’t get results just like youtubers right people give up if they don’t get results

research and economics people give up or psychology they give up when they don’t get results but if you if you become a joy to work

with if you enjoy the work you do and you show how passion you are to people around you that everyone has a

better time and people can go forward like again that journey is is what counts not the destination

great as we as we conclude is there anything else you want

the audience to know or you want to plug anything feel free to do that um why not please go check out the

youtube channel it’s steve knows short for stephen knowles my name i know also it was a it was meant to be

if you like virtual reality content uh please go check it out and i hope you enjoy and thank you for having me as well what a

great way to end it with such a nice sentimental touch cherry on top yeah are you ready to your

uh outro smiley face that you often do oh can i do that yeah yeah do that okay

thanks for watching guys happy gaming good day

yeah you also have this at the end of some of the yeah i love it and then i thought we didn’t have it but you know

bob we get the cow [Music] dancing as well yeah anyway really

enjoyed our chat together probably my favorite um you know just we connect on so many

different levels and i think i’ve learned a lot from you and i’m sure the audience will learn too uh yeah so look forward to seeing more

of the things you’ll create on your youtube channel and just look and hope that you will

uh find again that passion and that happiness in life and sustain that and and may you never burn out and

always live happy all right see you later thank you bye